[ANN] moving BBEdit-Talk to Google Groups!

[Patrick Woolsey]

Good afternoon folks,

We're currently in the process of moving all our product discussion lists
to Google Groups.

Next weekend (June 7/8), we will shut this list down and all traffic will
be on the 'BBEdit Talk' Google Group. We hope you'll take a moment to
subscribe and join us there!

<http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit>


Please note that historical archives of this list are not currently
available through the Google group. We're investigating ways to get the
archives up to Google. In the meantime, they remain available via
<http://www.listsearch.com/BBEdit> at the pleasure of LassoSoft, whose
hosting of the archives these many years we greatly appreciate.


Regards,

Patrick Woolsey
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P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048

[Errol Sayre]

Ug...

I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding my
email to this account... alas.

[Steve Saeedi]

Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice when
you subscribe to the group.

- Steve

Post by Errol Sayre
Ug...
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding my
email to this account... alas.

[Errol Sayre]

Where do you set this setting?

Post by Steve Saeedi
Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice when
you subscribe to the group.
- Steve

Post by Errol Sayre
Ug...
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding my
email to this account... alas.

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[Steve Saeedi]

It's in the membership settings for the BBEdit Talk list on http://groups.google.com/

You may need to configure your alternate addresses in the settings
somewhere.

Post by Errol Sayre
Where do you set this setting?

Post by Steve Saeedi
Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice
when you subscribe to the group.
- Steve

Post by Errol Sayre
Ug...
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding
my email to this account... alas.

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[b***@lists.frickster.net]

No, it's not. I've spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure this out,
associating various email addresses to my gmail account, but still unable to
dictate which email address should be receiving the messages from the Google
Group. This is really, really frustrating.

Does anyone have some instructions they'd be willing to type out for me?

-Brian

Post by Steve Saeedi
It's in the membership settings for the BBEdit Talk list on
http://groups.google.com/
You may need to configure your alternate addresses in the settings
somewhere.

Post by Errol Sayre
Where do you set this setting?

Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice when you
subscribe to the group.
- Steve

Ug...
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding my email
to this account... alas.

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-Brian

[Steve Saeedi]

1- Login to Google with your gmail account
2- Go to My Account in the top right
3- Edit My Personal Information
4- For each alternate email address you wish to add, enter them at the
"Associate email addresses with your account" section
5- You will need to receive the confirmation email and reply to that.
6- Once confirmed and entered, you will have the option to choose
which address you want to use to receive the BBEdit Talk stuff.

- Steve

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
No, it's not. I've spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure this
out, associating various email addresses to my gmail account, but
still unable to dictate which email address should be receiving the
messages from the Google Group. This is really, really frustrating.
Does anyone have some instructions they'd be willing to type out for me?
-Brian

[Derek Belrose]

I've successfully added an email address to my new gmail account, but
I don't get the option to use it under "Manage Subscriptions". All i
see is my gmail account.

Am I looking in the wrong spot?

Post by Steve Saeedi
1- Login to Google with your gmail account
2- Go to My Account in the top right
3- Edit My Personal Information
4- For each alternate email address you wish to add, enter them at
the "Associate email addresses with your account" section
5- You will need to receive the confirmation email and reply to that.
6- Once confirmed and entered, you will have the option to choose
which address you want to use to receive the BBEdit Talk stuff.
- Steve

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
No, it's not. I've spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure this
out, associating various email addresses to my gmail account, but
still unable to dictate which email address should be receiving the
messages from the Google Group. This is really, really frustrating.
Does anyone have some instructions they'd be willing to type out for me?
-Brian

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[Rod Buchanan]

Post by Derek Belrose
I've successfully added an email address to my new gmail account,
but I don't get the option to use it under "Manage Subscriptions".
All i see is my gmail account.
Am I looking in the wrong spot?

On the BBEdit Talk page click "Edit me membership" on the right side.
Then you can specify the email address.
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[Derek Belrose]

Post by Rod Buchanan

Post by Derek Belrose
I've successfully added an email address to my new gmail account,
but I don't get the option to use it under "Manage Subscriptions".
All i see is my gmail account.
Am I looking in the wrong spot?

On the BBEdit Talk page click "Edit me membership" on the right
side. Then you can specify the email address.

I'm looking at it now:

I have the Email option checked, a nickname in the box.

I see "About this group" But I don't see a spot to specify an email
address.

[Errol Sayre]

This is the page I found the appropriate option on...

http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en

[Derek Belrose]

Post by Errol Sayre
This is the page I found the appropriate option on...
http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en

Yeah all I see is my gmail account, not my associated email address.

[b***@lists.frickster.net]

Give it some time, it takes a while! Believe me. I sat through this problem
for nearly 3 hours...

Post by Derek Belrose

Post by Errol Sayre
This is the page I found the appropriate option on...
http://groups.google.com/groups/mysubs?hl=en

Yeah all I see is my gmail account, not my associated email address.
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-Brian

[Rod Buchanan]

Post by Derek Belrose

Post by Rod Buchanan

Post by Derek Belrose
I've successfully added an email address to my new gmail account,
but I don't get the option to use it under "Manage
Subscriptions". All i see is my gmail account.
Am I looking in the wrong spot?

On the BBEdit Talk page click "Edit me membership" on the right
side. Then you can specify the email address.

I have the Email option checked, a nickname in the box.
I see "About this group" But I don't see a spot to specify an email
address.

You'll need to add the alternate email address first, per post by
Steve Saeedi. Then you should see a drop down titled "Which address
do you want to use for this group?" between the "Email" button and
nickname box.

--
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Kelly Supply / KDSI / ISCO
308 382-8764 x220

What's the sense of being an adult, if you can't be childish once in a
while?
-- Dr. Who

[Derek Belrose]

Post by Rod Buchanan

Post by Derek Belrose
I have the Email option checked, a nickname in the box.
I see "About this group" But I don't see a spot to specify an
email address.

You'll need to add the alternate email address first, per post by
Steve Saeedi. Then you should see a drop down titled "Which address
do you want to use for this group?" between the "Email" button and
nickname box.

Rod,

I'm looking at the Associated Emails that I have for that account,
there are 2 email addresses plus my original GMail account. They've
been verified.

Is there a step that I am missing between entering the Emails in to
Personal Information under "My Account" and verifying them and the
point where you are at?

[b***@lists.frickster.net]

Apparently it takes some hours to get your addresses to propagate through the
Google system. I did figure it out, but it took 3 hours between the time I
added my address to my google account and when the option appeared.

-Brian

I've successfully added an email address to my new gmail account, but I don't
get the option to use it under "Manage Subscriptions". All i see is my gmail
account.
Am I looking in the wrong spot?

Post by Steve Saeedi
1- Login to Google with your gmail account
2- Go to My Account in the top right
3- Edit My Personal Information
4- For each alternate email address you wish to add, enter them at the
"Associate email addresses with your account" section
5- You will need to receive the confirmation email and reply to that.
6- Once confirmed and entered, you will have the option to choose which
address you want to use to receive the BBEdit Talk stuff.
- Steve

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
No, it's not. I've spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure this out,
associating various email addresses to my gmail account, but still unable
to dictate which email address should be receiving the messages from the
Google Group. This is really, really frustrating.
Does anyone have some instructions they'd be willing to type out for me?
-Brian

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[Derek Belrose]

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
Apparently it takes some hours to get your addresses to propagate
through the Google system. I did figure it out, but it took 3 hours
between the time I added my address to my google account and when
the option appeared.
-Brian

OK, I'll wait for it to filter through. I just don't understand why
they don't mention that it takes a number of hours to show a change
that I made.

Thanks for the information.

-Derek

[Rod Buchanan]

Post by Derek Belrose

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
Apparently it takes some hours to get your addresses to propagate
through the Google system. I did figure it out, but it took 3
hours between the time I added my address to my google account and
when the option appeared.

OK, I'll wait for it to filter through. I just don't understand why
they don't mention that it takes a number of hours to show a change
that I made.
Thanks for the information.

Make sure you've responded to the verification message sent when you
set up the alternate email address.

Things happened pretty quick for me, but obviously not for everyone.
--
Rod Buchanan
KDSI / Kelly Supply Co / ISCO
308 382-8764 x220

"I have a 72-hour rule. If I stay in Washington for more than 72
hours, I have to bathe myself in the same stuff I use when one of my
dogs gets into a fight with a skunk -- stuff to get the smell out."
-- Gov. Brian Schweitzer, Montana

[Derek Belrose]

Post by Rod Buchanan

Post by Derek Belrose

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
Apparently it takes some hours to get your addresses to propagate
through the Google system. I did figure it out, but it took 3
hours between the time I added my address to my google account and
when the option appeared.

OK, I'll wait for it to filter through. I just don't understand
why they don't mention that it takes a number of hours to show a
change that I made.
Thanks for the information.

Make sure you've responded to the verification message sent when you
set up the alternate email address.
Things happened pretty quick for me, but obviously not for everyone.

Responded, and it thanked me.

At this point, the system does not recognize my alternate email
addresses in anywhere by "My Account".

Hopefully Brian is right and it'll just take some time.

-Derek

[Derek Belrose]

Ok, I figured it out.

I don't know if it's a problem with Safari, or something internal in
Google, but I had to sign out and log back in. As soon as I did it, I
saw my alternate emails listed as expected.

So I suggest you follow Steve Saeedi's advice of:
1- Login to Google with your gmail account
2- Go to My Account in the top right
3- Edit My Personal Information
4- For each alternate email address you wish to add, enter them at the
"Associate email addresses with your account" section
5- You will need to receive the confirmation email and reply to that.
6- Once confirmed and entered, you will have the option to choose
which address you want to use to receive the BBEdit Talk stuff.

But split 6 up:
6 - Confirm Emails
7 - Log out of Google
8 - Log back in
9 - Find your emails listed in the "Edit my Membership" portion of the
Group page.

That is all :)

-Derek

[b***@lists.frickster.net]

You are absolutely correct. In the three hours between my registration and my
success, I had quit safari...

Damn Safari!!! :)

-Brian

Post by Derek Belrose
Ok, I figured it out.
I don't know if it's a problem with Safari, or something internal in Google,
but I had to sign out and log back in. As soon as I did it, I saw my
alternate emails listed as expected.
1- Login to Google with your gmail account
2- Go to My Account in the top right
3- Edit My Personal Information
4- For each alternate email address you wish to add, enter them at the
"Associate email addresses with your account" section
5- You will need to receive the confirmation email and reply to that.
6- Once confirmed and entered, you will have the option to choose which
address you want to use to receive the BBEdit Talk stuff.
6 - Confirm Emails
7 - Log out of Google
8 - Log back in
9 - Find your emails listed in the "Edit my Membership" portion of the Group
page.
That is all :)
-Derek
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[Errol Sayre]

It was those key steps 7-8 that I did, (because I have two gmail
accounts...).

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
You are absolutely correct. In the three hours between my
registration and my success, I had quit safari...
Damn Safari!!! :)
-Brian

Post by Derek Belrose
7 - Log out of Google
8 - Log back in

[Rod Buchanan]

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net
No, it's not. I've spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure this
out, associating various email addresses to my gmail account, but
still unable to dictate which email address should be receiving the
messages from the Google Group. This is really, really frustrating.
Does anyone have some instructions they'd be willing to type out for me?

Here's what I did:

Log in to Gmail
Click "Create a filter" (by the "Search the Web" button)
From: ***@googlegroups.com
Click "Next Step"
Forward to <me>, Mark as read

We'll see how well this works. May need some add'l tweaking post-
switch.

Post by b***@lists.frickster.net

Post by Steve Saeedi
It's in the membership settings for the BBEdit Talk list on http://groups.google.com/
You may need to configure your alternate addresses in the settings
somewhere.

Post by Errol Sayre
Where do you set this setting?

Post by Steve Saeedi
Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice
when you subscribe to the group.
- Steve

Post by Errol Sayre
Ug...
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding
my email to this account... alas.

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-Brian

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Kelly Supply / KDSI / ISCO
308 382-8764 x220

Religion can be like flatulence. You push too hard and you annoy those
around you.

[Aaron Hsu]

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I just thought that I should mention to everyone, and suggest
that Rich put this on the home page of the group, that you can
sign up by emailing a message to

bbedit-***@googlegroups.com

It works very well.
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[David Kelly]

Post by Steve Saeedi
Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice when
you subscribe to the group.

Any specifics? I have joined the new group but have not yet figured out
how to tell Google to deliver my subscription to any other than my gmail
account.

Have found how to use gmail to send using another return address but
not yet how to deliver subscriptions to a non-gmail address.
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[Ken G. Brown]

You can also set up another Google account with a non-gmail email address and join the BBEdit-Talk group from there.
I just discovered that when I went to add the secondary email address, and I already had it for another account sign-on. So I just subscribed to BBEdit-Talk from there. Done.

Ken G. Brown

Post by David Kelly

Post by Steve Saeedi
Google groups will also forward to your email address of choice when
you subscribe to the group.

Any specifics? I have joined the new group but have not yet figured out
how to tell Google to deliver my subscription to any other than my gmail
account.
Have found how to use gmail to send using another return address but
not yet how to deliver subscriptions to a non-gmail address.
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[Sophie]

Not wanting to go through the external email address thing (my gmail
account only receives spam, and I don't want that forwarded), I just
subscribed to the rss feed and will probably only log in when I have
something to post to the list.
If archives of the list are made available, the world will be my oyster ;)

Sophie

Post by Ken G. Brown
You can also set up another Google account with a non-gmail email
address and join the BBEdit-Talk group from there. I just discovered
that when I went to add the secondary email address, and I already
had it for another account sign-on. So I just subscribed to
BBEdit-Talk from there. Done.
Ken G. Brown

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[Mike Conley]

Post by Errol Sayre
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding my
email to this account... alas.

To my knowledge, it isn't necessary to have a gmail account (I'd
never have one, in fact).

If you go to <http://groups.google.com/>, click Sign In in the
top right corner of the window, click the 'Create an account
now' link, and then use your preferred E-mail address to create
the account, all the Google groups mail will be sent to that
address. Worked fine for me.

-Mike

[Semper Fidelis]

That's what I did too. That is, even though I have a Gmail account, I
used the Mike Conley method (if I may call it that) to create an
account that would allow me to subscribe to Google Group BBEdit Talk.
I specified my preferred email address and password, and I was done.
Mission accomplished.

Post by Mike Conley

Post by Errol Sayre
I rarely check my gmail account(s) and don't care for forwarding my
email to this account... alas.

To my knowledge, it isn't necessary to have a gmail account (I'd
never have one, in fact).
If you go to <http://groups.google.com/>, click Sign In in the top
right corner of the window, click the 'Create an account now' link,
and then use your preferred E-mail address to create the account,
all the Google groups mail will be sent to that address. Worked fine
for me.
-Mike
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[Lewis@Gmail]

Post by Patrick Woolsey
We're currently in the process of moving all our product discussion lists
to Google Groups.

Oh Crap!

Crap Crap Crap.

Well, it could be worse, it could be Yahoo Groups.

Did I mentions "Crap"? Oh, I did? Well, it bears repeating.
--
Man is born free, but is everywhere in chains.

[Aaron Hsu]

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I agree, I don't like the move to Google Groups, but, ah well.

Post by ***@Gmail
Well, it bears repeating.

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[Mike Conley]

Of course, the thing that really sucks rocks about Google Groups
(well, in addition to its flakey interface) is that the E-mail
digest I get is not in the required format to be read using
Mailsmith's Open Digest command, which means that I now get the
choice of

- Wading through all the crap included in the digest
contents, trying to actually read the text enclosed therein
(which was why I liked using Open Digest);

- Giving up on digests and being bombarded by separate
E-mails rather than infrequent digests so that I can scan them
using Mailsmith's Browser; or

- Using the inefficient and ugly Google-designed browser
interface instead of my nice, clean, easy-to-use Bare
Bones-designed E-mail client.

Feh.

-Mike

[Max Horn]

Hi,

as usual, the people who are unhappy are the loudest. To slightly
counter this. I personally am happy with the move to Google groups. Or
at least do not see anything negative about it. I am sure many others
feel similar, but if you are not unhappy, then usually you won't say
anything... ;)


Cheers,
Max

[Patrick James]

Hi

I've never used Google Groups but I like the idea of having a web
interface.

Patrick

Post by Max Horn
Hi,
as usual, the people who are unhappy are the loudest. To slightly
counter this. I personally am happy with the move to Google groups.
Or at least do not see anything negative about it. I am sure many
others feel similar, but if you are not unhappy, then usually you
won't say anything... ;)

[Lewis@Gmail]

Post by Max Horn
as usual, the people who are unhappy are the loudest. To slightly
counter this. I personally am happy with the move to Google groups.
Or at least do not see anything negative about it. I am sure many
others feel similar, but if you are not unhappy, then usually you
won't say anything... ;)

Well, anyone who has ever been subscribed to a google group in the
past will almost certainly be unhappy.
--
The hippo of recollection stirred in the muddy waters of the mind.

[Rich Siegel]

Post by ***@Gmail
Well, anyone who has ever been subscribed to a google group in the
past will almost certainly be unhappy.

In the interest of keeping the list on topic and productive for
all subscribers, please direct any specific complaints or
comments you may have regarding the presentation or operation of
any of our lists to the list management, off list.
Nonspecifically complaining on the list about how unhappy you
may be with Google Groups will not accomplish anything. :-)

Thank you,

R.
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<***@barebones.com> <http://www.barebones.com/>

Someday I'll look back on all this and laugh... until they
sedate me.

[Max Horn]

Post by ***@Gmail

Post by Max Horn
as usual, the people who are unhappy are the loudest. To slightly
counter this. I personally am happy with the move to Google groups.
Or at least do not see anything negative about it. I am sure many
others feel similar, but if you are not unhappy, then usually you
won't say anything... ;)

Well, anyone who has ever been subscribed to a google group in the
past will almost certainly be unhappy.

Well, I am subscribed to several google groups (and several mailman lists,
and several mailing lists which are hosted by yet another method), and
have been so for quite some time, and am not unhappy at all :).


Cheers,
Max

[David Kelly]

Post by Max Horn

Post by ***@Gmail
Well, anyone who has ever been subscribed to a google group in the
past will almost certainly be unhappy.

Well, I am subscribed to several google groups (and several mailman
lists, and several mailing lists which are hosted by yet another
method), and have been so for quite some time, and am not unhappy at
all :).

Yes, it could be *much* worse. Could have moved to MSN or to a list host
using Lyris ListManager.
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[Brian L. Matthews]

Post by ***@Gmail
Well, anyone who has ever been subscribed to a google group in the
past will almost certainly be unhappy.

I'm subscribed to a number of mailing lists, some on Google groups, some
on Yahoo! groups, some through whatever that standard mailing list
software is, some on home-grown software, and I'm not unhappy with
Google groups at all.

Brian

[Doug McNutt]

Post by Patrick Woolsey
We're currently in the process of moving all our product discussion lists
to Google Groups.
Next weekend (June 7/8), we will shut this list down and all traffic will
be on the 'BBEdit Talk' Google Group. We hope you'll take a moment to
subscribe and join us there!
<http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit>

What does Bare Bones suggest a a filter for the new Google Group(s)?

An example of the List-id: header that will be used is simplest for me. With the amount of junk mail sent to my list address I just have to have a filter in place and it's hard to find a first received message in the haystack of spam.

List-ID: <bbedit-talk.barebones.com>

Is the current sort item. Will it still exist? Will it be the same?
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Post by Doug McNutt
What does Bare Bones suggest a a filter for the new Google Group(s)?

Filtering is client and/or user preference based, so there's no
universal answer. I happen to filter based on the addresses.

Post by Doug McNutt
An example of the List-id: header that will be used is simplest for me.

That's easy enough:

List-Id: <bbedit.googlegroups.com>

Steve

[m***@umich.edu]

Post by Steve Kalkwarf

Post by Doug McNutt
An example of the List-id: header that will be used is simplest for me.

List-Id: <bbedit.googlegroups.com>

This seems unfortunate, considering the IETF introduced the List-Id
header so that mail software could identify the list regardless of the
host serving it <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2919.html>. Any chance
you can fix it on the new lists?

Harold

[Derek Belrose]

Hey,

I'm trying to wrap my head around everything. Here's what I have so
far.

A client gives me a list of 30 domains that he wants websites setup,
dns and mail.

I decided it would be a great chance for me to learn filters and
scripts. I very quickly created the filters that output the zones,
httpd.conf syntax and the commands to create the root directories.
What I'm wondering is this: is there a way to create a worksheet from
unix filters and if not am I going to have to tie all of this together
using apple script?

Here's the flow I am looking for:

Paste list of domains
run a script

the script will:
create the apache config syntax (one filter)
create the dns zone syntax (another filter)
create the shell script syntax to create the root directories for the
sites (third filter)
somehow create a worksheet
pipe the syntax along with shell commands over ssh (ssh keys are
working, no passwords needed)


Is this a pipe dream or can I actually achieve this in BBEdit?

Thanks!
Derek

[Greg Raven]

Why not just use h2n?

Post by Derek Belrose
Hey,
I'm trying to wrap my head around everything. Here's what I have so
far.
A client gives me a list of 30 domains that he wants websites setup,
dns and mail.
I decided it would be a great chance for me to learn filters and
scripts. I very quickly created the filters that output the zones,
httpd.conf syntax and the commands to create the root directories.
What I'm wondering is this: is there a way to create a worksheet
from unix filters and if not am I going to have to tie all of this
together using apple script?
Paste list of domains
run a script
create the apache config syntax (one filter)
create the dns zone syntax (another filter)
create the shell script syntax to create the root directories for
the sites (third filter)
somehow create a worksheet
pipe the syntax along with shell commands over ssh (ssh keys are
working, no passwords needed)
Is this a pipe dream or can I actually achieve this in BBEdit?
Thanks!
Derek
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I'm not familiar with h2n, what is it?

Post by Greg Raven
Why not just use h2n?

Post by Derek Belrose
Hey,
I'm trying to wrap my head around everything. Here's what I have
so far.
A client gives me a list of 30 domains that he wants websites
setup, dns and mail.
I decided it would be a great chance for me to learn filters and
scripts. I very quickly created the filters that output the zones,
httpd.conf syntax and the commands to create the root directories.
What I'm wondering is this: is there a way to create a worksheet
from unix filters and if not am I going to have to tie all of this
together using apple script?
Paste list of domains
run a script
create the apache config syntax (one filter)
create the dns zone syntax (another filter)
create the shell script syntax to create the root directories for
the sites (third filter)
somehow create a worksheet
pipe the syntax along with shell commands over ssh (ssh keys are
working, no passwords needed)
Is this a pipe dream or can I actually achieve this in BBEdit?
Thanks!
Derek
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Google h2n, or read DNS and Bind by Albitz and Liu.

Post by Derek Belrose
I'm not familiar with h2n, what is it?

Post by Greg Raven
Why not just use h2n?

Post by Derek Belrose
Hey,
I'm trying to wrap my head around everything. Here's what I have
so far.
A client gives me a list of 30 domains that he wants websites
setup, dns and mail.
I decided it would be a great chance for me to learn filters and
scripts. I very quickly created the filters that output the
zones, httpd.conf syntax and the commands to create the root
directories. What I'm wondering is this: is there a way to
create a worksheet from unix filters and if not am I going to have
to tie all of this together using apple script?
Paste list of domains
run a script
create the apache config syntax (one filter)
create the dns zone syntax (another filter)
create the shell script syntax to create the root directories for
the sites (third filter)
somehow create a worksheet
pipe the syntax along with shell commands over ssh (ssh keys are
working, no passwords needed)
Is this a pipe dream or can I actually achieve this in BBEdit?
Thanks!
Derek
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[Derek Belrose]

Because I still need 2/3 of the solution if I do that. Either way,
the point is to get data from BBEdit to a remote server over ssh with
as little intervention as possible.

h2n isn't installed on the server, and the administrator would prefer
me not installing more utilities than is necessary. I already have
the zone files created, I just need a way of getting them from the
BBEdit filter to the server, along with httpd.conf entries and shell
script commands necessary to create the root directories.

It's more an exercise in BBEdit magic than something I'm going to use
a lot. I'm testing it to see what I can't do.

-Derek

Post by Greg Raven
Why not just use h2n?

Post by Derek Belrose
Hey,
I'm trying to wrap my head around everything. Here's what I have
so far.
A client gives me a list of 30 domains that he wants websites
setup, dns and mail.
I decided it would be a great chance for me to learn filters and
scripts. I very quickly created the filters that output the zones,
httpd.conf syntax and the commands to create the root directories.
What I'm wondering is this: is there a way to create a worksheet
from unix filters and if not am I going to have to tie all of this
together using apple script?
Paste list of domains
run a script
create the apache config syntax (one filter)
create the dns zone syntax (another filter)
create the shell script syntax to create the root directories for
the sites (third filter)
somehow create a worksheet
pipe the syntax along with shell commands over ssh (ssh keys are
working, no passwords needed)
Is this a pipe dream or can I actually achieve this in BBEdit?
Thanks!
Derek
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Post by Derek Belrose
Because I still need 2/3 of the solution if I do that. Either way,
the point is to get data from BBEdit to a remote server over ssh with
as little intervention as possible.
h2n isn't installed on the server, and the administrator would prefer
me not installing more utilities than is necessary. I already have
the zone files created, I just need a way of getting them from the
BBEdit filter to the server, along with httpd.conf entries and shell
script commands necessary to create the root directories.

You could use AppleScript to upload the generated files with BBEdit (via
SFTP), or a shell script could upload them directly.

The main catch is that since these files must be installed into root-owned
locations, you'll need to access the server via an interactive shell to
move them into place and adjust their permissions--at present, there's no
way to do this from BBEdit.


Regards,

Patrick Woolsey
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P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048

[Derek Belrose]

Post by Patrick Woolsey
You could use AppleScript to upload the generated files with BBEdit (via
SFTP), or a shell script could upload them directly.
The main catch is that since these files must be installed into root-
owned
locations, you'll need to access the server via an interactive shell to
move them into place and adjust their permissions--at present,
there's no
way to do this from BBEdit.

Thanks Patrick.

I'll play around this weekend to see what I can come up with.

-Derek

[Mike Schienle]

Post by Derek Belrose
Hey,
I'm trying to wrap my head around everything. Here's what I have so
far.
A client gives me a list of 30 domains that he wants websites setup,
dns and mail.
I decided it would be a great chance for me to learn filters and
scripts. I very quickly created the filters that output the zones,
httpd.conf syntax and the commands to create the root directories.
What I'm wondering is this: is there a way to create a worksheet
from unix filters and if not am I going to have to tie all of this
together using apple script?
Paste list of domains
run a script
create the apache config syntax (one filter)
create the dns zone syntax (another filter)
create the shell script syntax to create the root directories for
the sites (third filter)
somehow create a worksheet
pipe the syntax along with shell commands over ssh (ssh keys are
working, no passwords needed)
Is this a pipe dream or can I actually achieve this in BBEdit?

For my own BBEdit knowledge that's a pipedream, but I know I don't use
BBEdit anywhere near it's capacity. I was just chatting with a buddy
yesterday and commented that I've been using BBEdit since it came with
MachTen around 1995, but I've never gotten into all of its Worksheet
and Scripting capabilities.

I'd give the client a password-protected web-form to fill in that
would then generate the info you need. You could also set up an email
address for the client that would process emails automatically and
generate the info. Or even an [s]ftp address they can send files to
that will run a periodic program to check for new files and process
them. Those are all certainly more work to setup, but considerably
less work in the long run. I pretty much do all of the above for a
living, so I'm a bit biased :-)

Mike Schienle

[David Kelly]

Post by Doug McNutt
What does Bare Bones suggest a a filter for the new Google Group(s)?
An example of the List-id: header that will be used is simplest for
me. With the amount of junk mail sent to my list address I just have
to have a filter in place and it's hard to find a first received
message in the haystack of spam.
List-ID: <bbedit-talk.barebones.com>
Is the current sort item. Will it still exist? Will it be the same?

In Mail.app simply select a message from the list, Command-, to open
Preferences, go to the filter/rules tab and select your existing BBedit
rule, hit the + add button, pull down to List-ID, and Mail.app will
fill the argument field with the value found in the selected message.
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[Doug McNutt]

Post by David Kelly
In Mail.app simply select a message from the list, Command-, to open
Preferences, go to the filter/rules tab and select your existing BBedit
rule, hit the + add button, pull down to List-ID, and Mail.app will
fill the argument field with the value found in the selected message.

Of course, but my problem which I'm sure applies to other BBEdit types who do coding, is that my mail filtering is done on the POP3 server under qmail. Unless I get the first test correct I never see a mailing list item on which to do that +add button operation. List-ID: works fine.

The option is to turn off filtering at the POP server temporarily but that can cause downloading of 1000 spams a day!

Please ask <***@same> If you'd like to see the code - it's done in perl. and uses post filtering options of qmail under open BSD. <ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Pair/qfilter_list.pl>
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[Lewis@Gmail]

Post by Doug McNutt
in perl. and uses post filtering options of qmail under open BSD. <ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Pair/qfilter_list.pl

I have a few lines of procmail that auto-sorts all mailing lists
(well, just about). It does not need updating for new lists nor
cleaning to remove old lists.

==begin
# .list_procmail, best to be called with a
# INCLUDERC=/list_procmail

MYDATE=`date '+%Y-%m'`
# [ ] contains a space and a tab

#Sean B Straw wrote most (all?) of this block, some slight tweaks made
LISTNAME
:0
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Id:.*<|X-Mailing-List:[ ]*)\/[-A-z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Post:[ ]*(<mailto:)?|List-Owner:[ ]*(<mailto:)?owner-)
\/[-A-Z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^(Sender:[ ]*owner-|X-BeenThere:[ ]*|Delivered-To:
[ ]*mailing list )\/[-A-Za-z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^Sender:.* List"? <(mailto:)?\/[-A-Z0-9_+]+
{ LISTNAME=$MATCH }

# OK, that didn't work, let's try List-Subscribe
:0E
* ^List-Subscribe:.*<mailto:\/[-A-Z0-9_+]+-(digest|on|subscribe)@
* MATCH ?? ^^\/.+-
* MATCH ?? ^^\/.+[^-]
{ LISTNAME = $MATCH }

#Sort the mail into /home/users/Mail/listname/2004-04.listname mbox
files
:0
* ! LISTNAME ?? ^^^^
{
:0fw
| formail -i "X-Covisp-Listname: $LISTNAME"

:0: $HOME/lock
$MLDIR/$LISTNAME/$MYDATE.$LISTNAME

# if the action failed, probably the directory does not
# exist, so create it
:0eW
{
LOG="FAILED WRITE$NL"
MAKENEWDIR=`test -d $MLDIR/$LISTNAME || mkdir -p $MLDIR/
$LISTNAME/`

}

# Now save the message again
:0a:
$MLDIR/$LISTNAME/$MYDATE.$LISTNAME

# If we get this far, something is quite wrong.
# Better save the message somewhere we can check it
:0
{
LOG="FAILED WRITE NEW DIRECTORY$NL"
:0: $HOME/lock
$MLDIR/FAILED_LIST_SORT
}
}
==end

I've been running this procmail for many years and have only had one
instance of a message hitting the FAILE_LIST_SORT mbox, and that was
due to a permission problem on the user's home folder.
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Post by ***@Gmail
I have a few lines of procmail that auto-sorts all mailing lists
(well, just about). It does not need updating for new lists nor
cleaning to remove old lists.

Caution procmail novices: I'm guessing several lines were wrapped in

Post by ***@Gmail
==begin
# .list_procmail, best to be called with a
# INCLUDERC=/list_procmail
MYDATE=`date '+%Y-%m'`
# [ ] contains a space and a tab
#Sean B Straw wrote most (all?) of this block, some slight tweaks made
LISTNAME

the above line, for instance.

Post by ***@Gmail
:0
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Id:.*<|X-Mailing-List:[ ]*)\/[-A-z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Post:[ ]*(<mailto:)?|List-Owner:[
]*(<mailto:)?owner-) \/[-A-Z0-9_+]+

And the above?

And no doubt several more.
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[Lewis@Gmail]

Post by David Kelly

Post by ***@Gmail
#Sean B Straw wrote most (all?) of this block, some slight tweaks made
LISTNAME

the above line, for instance.

Nope, LISTNAME by itself clears the variable.

Post by David Kelly

Post by ***@Gmail
:0
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Id:.*<|X-Mailing-List:[ ]*)\/[-A-z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Post:[ ]*(<mailto:)?|List-Owner:[
]*(<mailto:)?owner-) \/[-A-Z0-9_+]+

And the above?

The second line, yes.

Post by David Kelly
And no doubt several more.

Depending on wrap settings, most likely.
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go there first, and is waiting for it.

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Post by ***@Gmail

Post by Doug McNutt
in perl. and uses post filtering options of qmail under open BSD.
<ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Pair/qfilter_list.pl >

I have a few lines of procmail that auto-sorts all mailing lists
(well, just about). It does not need updating for new lists nor
cleaning to remove old lists.
==begin
# .list_procmail, best to be called with a
# INCLUDERC=/list_procmail
MYDATE=`date '+%Y-%m'`
# [ ] contains a space and a tab
#Sean B Straw wrote most (all?) of this block, some slight tweaks made
LISTNAME
:0
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Id:.*<|X-Mailing-List:[ ]*)\/[-A-z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^(List-Post:[ ]*(<mailto:)?|List-Owner:[
]*(<mailto:)?owner-) \/[-A-Z0-9_+]+
[ ]*mailing list )\/[-A-Za-z0-9_+]+
* 9876543210^0 ^Sender:.* List"? <(mailto:)?\/[-A-Z0-9_+]+
{ LISTNAME=$MATCH }
# OK, that didn't work, let's try List-Subscribe
:0E
* MATCH ?? ^^\/.+-
* MATCH ?? ^^\/.+[^-]
{ LISTNAME = $MATCH }

[snip]

Ugh, procmail code is so ugly and obtuse. That's why I wrote my own
filter in Perl, which has English-like rules syntax:

if list-id contains bbedit.googlegroups.com then done

Um, no, it's not publicly available at this time. But at least I
tracked down the [greedy regexp] culprit that occasionally caused my
script to hang. :)


-boo
who dislikes googlegroups and is dismayed by BB's decision

[David Kelly]

Post by Doug McNutt

Post by David Kelly
In Mail.app simply select a message from the list, Command-, to open
Preferences, go to the filter/rules tab and select your existing BBedit
rule, hit the + add button, pull down to List-ID, and Mail.app will
fill the argument field with the value found in the selected message.

Of course, but my problem which I'm sure applies to other BBEdit types
who do coding, is that my mail filtering is done on the POP3 server
under qmail. Unless I get the first test correct I never see a mailing
list item on which to do that +add button operation. List-ID: works
fine.
The option is to turn off filtering at the POP server temporarily but
that can cause downloading of 1000 spams a day!

You don't manually review the spam folder?

Post by Doug McNutt
perl. and uses post filtering options of qmail under open BSD.
<ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Pair/qfilter_list.pl> --

I have been assured that God uses sendmail. :-)
Some say proof is that not all prayers are answered. :-O

I use fetchmail to pull and deliver locally through procmail and
bogofilter. Postfix to push. And dovecot for my private IMAP server. On
FreeBSD 7.

Use mutt and vim more than anything else to reply.

Script run from crontab takes read messages from certain folders to
retrain bogofilter. Marked read messages in my spam folder are moved to
an archive in the event I want to retrain bogofilter (or Mail.app) from
ground zero.

In Mail.app I move Junk to my "add" folder on IMAP. Script on the server
then retrains bogofilter.

A problem with Mail.app is that moving a message out of the Junk folder
untrains the message from the junk database. Clearly a situation where
Apple is being *too* helpful. A solution was to select-all in Junk, cut,
then select the add folder and paste. That hasn't been working reliably
of late. Cuts OK, doesn't paste. So I give up and simply move.
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[Greg Hemphill]

Can't you just export/import a list of subscribers?

Post by Patrick Woolsey
Good afternoon folks,
We're currently in the process of moving all our product discussion lists
to Google Groups.
Next weekend (June 7/8), we will shut this list down and all traffic will
be on the 'BBEdit Talk' Google Group. We hope you'll take a moment to
subscribe and join us there!
<http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit>
Please note that historical archives of this list are not currently
available through the Google group. We're investigating ways to get the
archives up to Google. In the meantime, they remain available via
<http://www.listsearch.com/BBEdit> at the pleasure of LassoSoft, whose
hosting of the archives these many years we greatly appreciate.
Regards,
Patrick Woolsey
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Post by Greg Hemphill
Can't you just export/import a list of subscribers?

Sorry but for a (wide :) variety of reasons, that's impractical.


Regards,

Patrick Woolsey
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[Lewis@Gmail]

Post by Greg Hemphill
Can't you just export/import a list of subscribers?

That's a spectacularly bad idea.
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[Tim Gray]

I'd write a python script/program that does all of that. In BBEdit of course.